Public sentiment is largely negative, reflecting deep anger and frustration over safety negligence, lack of accountability from Air India and Boeing, and inadequate responses from authorities. Many comments call for justice for the victims and more stringent aviation safety measures, emphasizing that the crash resulted from systemic failures rather than mere accidents.

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A whistleblower revealed how Boeing is cutting costs while filling the pockets of their executives, directly jeopardising anyone flying in their aircrafts. And that whistleblower not-so-surprisingly “committed suicide”.

SilverElegant2302

I suggest just waiting this out. There's no point in speculations. This is one time that thoughts and prayers are the only thing that is even remotely acceptable. Once the blackbox data is out we can ascertain what went wrong.

Old_Afternoon_971

Ramesh Vishwaskumar, the sole survivor of the crash, said that trouble began just 30 seconds into the flight.

kaychyakay

It's really heartbreaking,the MBBS students death also unbearable.

YardDry3649

OP, you need to correct your post. Debris did not ‘hit’ nearby hostels. The whole plane literally crashed through the upper floor of the cafeteria building of B J Medical college before finally crashing on to the terrace of their student hostel. Total 3 buildings have been destroyed. Many undergraduate and post graduate medical students either hurt, 5 are dead.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/5-dead-at-medical-students-hostel-in-ahmedabad-where-air-india-plane-crashed-8650656 5 Dead At Medical Students' Hostel In Ahmedabad Where Air India Plane Crashed

Still_Source5622

This the correct use of social media. Great job.

UnderstandingFit8972

Why does this post feel like ai generated?

mjuytfdz

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The incident really was saddening. So many lives are lost.

kafka-steinbeck

Why is AirIndia buying boeing relentlessly?

Commercial-Cloud-306

Reuters and AP r the last news organization for the truth or anything official on India, 

They literally misreport everything that shows India in a good light

The rest of ur post I can get behind 👍

Edit - All 242 passengers and crew have been pronounced dead (moneycontrol)

Fogger-3

This is all boeings fault. The world needs more then 2 airline manufacturers.

kingrandom550

trippypantsforlife

Air India aircrafts sourcing and maintenance strategy was compromised to say the least under Government of India. Air India under Tata is no better. Air India severely cuts corners, especially on spare parts. After the age of 10, aircraft’s typically need a very high level of maintenance and we see an increase in O&amp;M spend, but Air India chiefs have a different tactic. 

Also the 1cr payout is not sympathy or in good faith. The final payout will be governed by Montreal Convention because India is party to it and so the payout is actually an enforceable liability.

Sharp-Zebra-2959

The biggest danger is misinformation planted by interested parties like Boeing. 

Many "experts" have started talking about pilot error (pilot raised flaps by mistake) and poor maintenence (Air India's maintenence schedule is not as per Boeing recommendation). 

These false flags are planted to create an alternate viable possibility that plants a seed of doubt in the general public. 

I've seen this happen in ALL air accidents. The idea is to divert attention away from the manufacturer and any responsibility of his that could have been the cause or the major contributor to the mishap. 

Not only that, Boeing has in the past paid a lot of money to various officials involved in the investigation to ensure it is not implicated in any way. 

After the Air India 855 crashed into the sea in 1978 authorities declared it as pilot error.  Aircraft was a Boeing 747.Later many of those very authorities were given green cards and their kids were given scholarships to study in the USA, and a few of them suddenly became quite wealthy. 

The same thing can happen this time too.

beepri

https://preview.redd.it/npcgr7g2ri6f1.jpeg?width=1290&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=95b9c26d081f14877f2e95d15a9d76ebff832634

Can someone please explain this

Mother-cat-8092

A fine message, OP. What prompt did you use to write the first half? 

Also, I wanted to add, pretty sure many have noticed that the aircraft "beak" was going up just before it hit the building and exploded. That means even in their final moments, the pilots tried to avoid hitting a building, and they tried to save lives. Huge kudos to them. Plus, avoid blaming the pilots.

LazyPartOfRynerLute

Why are we even doing anything else apart from catching the boeing execs. Need more Luigi mangionis for boeing ceos

musicmeme

Boeing 787 is one of the most reliable flagship airplane of Boeing. Not one 787 crashed till now. The Error should lie with the pilots not properly configuring the aircraft, usual suspect is slats and flaps configuration.

AdComprehensive5663

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-21054089

ReadyAd4450

Please don't spread any conspiracies or any fake news 
I lost my brother he was one of the crew members

iamnabeelshaikh

If anyone has the actual footage unfiltered unblurred . Kindly dm.

shivamisation

babajika123

I found this over 10 years old article written about some issues raised for Boeing 787 planes that could very well have been also the cause of the plane crash that happened in Ahmedabad. 

[https://www.flightglobal.com/faa-orders-new-787-electrical-fix-to-prevent-power-failure/116695.article](https://www.flightglobal.com/faa-orders-new-787-electrical-fix-to-prevent-power-failure/116695.article)

ACE276

You pulled up info from online/social and labeled it as "the Raw Unfiltered cockroaches like you come out to cash in whenever any tragedy happens. 

Get a life, 🪳

Animals_elephants

The stupidestt thing i have ever heard is that the "Left" is blaming it on Adani because he own the airport?? Who is the real ADANI??

Minimum_Weather_5135

Kya "raw unfiltered truth"? This is all public news whatever you posted. You opened the black box kya?

Zabardasti ka maska mat maar tragedy par.

HappyOrca2020

The more u wsit for truth to cone out, government will spread more lies

BanacarriF1

This is a fantastic and comprehensive analysis without any bias. You've explored the possibilities that could have happened and I would clearly agree on what you've mentioned and how clearly you've put it. What still confuses me is that modern jetliner like the 787 would scream it's speakers out if the plane was not properly configured for takeoff. I'm still wondering what could have happened if that's true. Also there are speculations that the flaps might have been retracted mistakenly instead of gears as it would explain the sudden loss of lift. But again these are speculations. As for me, I don't think it's a bird strike because there is no engine surge seen in the videos. If you ask me, it's either the flaps retraction, a dual engine failure or a combination of both. We'll wait and see!

TonyStarkLK

Very thorough! I am hearing reports of the RAT being extended - is there any evidence of this (photos/videos etc)? This would certainly give evidence to either the mishandled V1 cut scenario (wrong engine shut down) or dual flame out.

I am not up to speed with 787 nor Air India procedures, however I think it’s unlikely the crew would have begun the memory items for eng severe damage so close to the ground - in my mind this reduces the likelihood of the mishandled single engine failure case.

Interestingly, the gear was never retracted. In the single engine failure case, this would occur once positive climb is achieved. If a dual engine failure occurred, it likely would not have been possible to retract the gear.

jimbo_jones90

The flaps and slats were extended, you can see it on the images of debris floating around.

Evening_Bus746

My money is on contaminated fuel. Much akin to BA flight 38 a decade ago but with immediate shutdown of both engines.


Video 1 link wasn't working for me, here is a Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/ahmedabad/comments/1l9i1ga/om_shanti_to_everyone/


Edit to add: There is one bit of evidence which doesn't fit my fuel theory and that's the account of the sole surviving passenger who said he heard a bang just before the aircraft started descending. Obviously had there been catastrophic failure of just one engine the pilot probably would have had a chance.


I did consider lubrication but for both engines to cease simultaneously between V1 and getting to 190m seems improbable on balance.

Jealous-Hedgehog-734

Air india pilot sent a call saying 'Mayday, no thrust, losing power, unable to lift'.

Own-Caregiver-8117

"Plane lights 'flickered' before crash

The sole surviving passenger from the Air India crash said the lights on the plane “started flickering” before the aircraft hit the ground.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, told the Hindustan Times: “When the flight took off, within five to 10 seconds it felt like it was stuck in the air.

“Suddenly, the lights started flickering – green and white – then the plane rammed into some establishment that was there.”

Mr Ramesh, who was sat in seat 11a next to an emergency exit, told the newspaper the section of the plane he was in landed on the ground, rather than hitting the roof of a building.

“When I saw the exit, I thought I could come out. I tried, and I did. Maybe the people who were on the other side of the plane weren’t able to,” he said.

He added: “I don’t know how I survived. I saw people dying in front of my eyes – the air hostesses, and two people I saw near me … I walked out of the rubble.”

"


What does green and white light flickering means ?

BKTKL

So survived guy said in the interview, emergency lights were turned on automatically (green-white lights),  as  Boeing 787 is equipped with emergency lightning that activates when main power source is lost. Seems like engine failure

Sudden-Inevitable917

The pilot's mayday message moments before the crash was : “Mayday… no thrust, losing power, unable to lift,” 

Source: https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/mayday-unable-to-lift-air-india-pilots-chilling-message-before-ahmedabad-plane-crashnbsp/3878194/

JustSomeRandomDish

In 2019, an ANA 787 experienced a dual engine failure after landing in Osaka.  The crew attempted to restart the engines, but couldn't, and had to be towed off the runway:

https://simpleflying.com/ana-dual-engine-failure-on-landing/

Granted, this was identified as an issue with a system erroneously detecting an engine overspeed (when the pilot moved the thrust levers quickly to full reverse upon touchdown), but it shows dual engine failure due to a software / mechanical issue's not without precedent on this type.

Could something have happened on this one flight that revealed a similar fatal flaw in the 787s systems?  It seems as far-fetched as all the other theories at this point, but I wouldn't consider it impossible either.

Hairy-Association636

Very comprehensive. Thanks for doing this

Savings-Cautious

I watched a video of the plane before it crashed you can hear the RAT. Sounds like a Cessna.

blackviper_07

Thanks for the great and super educational opinions. Awesome read

megamang83

Might be a silly question, but can excessive dust/dirt being sucked into the engine cause then to fail? There's a huge cloud kicked up at the end of the runway at take of (in the second video), almost as if it overshot.

GeneralGringus

I have a comment about second video and witness statement. According to CCTV video (The one I analyzed is 59 seconds), the plotline is as follows:

0:18 TAKEOFF

0:30 CLIMB STOPS

0:34 LOSING ALTITUDE

0:50 IMPACT

The witness stated that he heard a loud bang 30 seconds after the take off then plane crashed. Airplane crashed around 30 seconds after the take off. So I believe the loud bang was impact of landing gear or tail of aircraft to the ground/building. I believe he confused times in between events due to shock and stress.

EGO611

In another post, someone suggested 60 tonnes would be enough fuel for the flight to London. Yet news sources indicating 100 tonnes?

RancidWatermelon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac90bLg1Oek

Watch this video and see his point about landing gear position. He makes a very good point

Existing-Help-3187

I was on an Air Canada flight flying (sometime Jan 2024) out of Heathrow to Mumbai as i had missed my earlier connection from Heathrow via Frankfurt to Mumbai.

On takeoff before actual lift about 10 seconds i would approx. from start of movement, we heard a loud bang...we lifted and then after 15-20 mins out we got Pilot announcement we would need to land back at Heathrow.....we did a circling maneuver for about 30 mins over the English Channel (to dump fuel). before heading back to Heathrow.

Once we landed (i remember recording what looked like smoke from underneath fuselage)...i was sitting on left side at very back (last row). Moment plane stopped on runway after landing, everyone clapped as we were instructed before landing to brace for hard-landing in emergency posture on seats. We were stationary on runway for about 45 mins. Many vehicles slowly but gradually everywhere surrounding us in those 45mins while on runway.

After 45mins we were taxied off to another location away from terminals.

After disembarking, with the many many airport-personnel around (not passengers as they were being shuttled off), one of officials mentioned they were holding their breath while our plane landed and emergency services were totally focused on our plane.

We were informed, it was a tire-burst/rupture during takeoff before lift.

CapitalTop9246

I'm having a hard time digesting the fact that we live in a world where "innocent until proven guilty" is the norm for corporates like Boeing and Purdue pharma, even when brave whistleblowers literally put their lives at stake to bring the truth out. I wish I lived in a world, where the regulations were so strict that an organization would be treated "guilty until proven innocent", so that management would have to think 10 times before even bringing up the idea that "Quality is overrated". Even if this crash is not due to Boeing's manufacturing issues, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the next one could be right around the corner.

"The late John Barnett, who [died last March in an apparent suicide](https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/) two days into a three-day deposition stemming from the insane practices he witnessed and tried vainly to stop as a quality manager at the Dreamliner’s final assembly plant in Charleston, South Carolina, had a ready [answer](https://www.tmz.com/2025/06/12/boeing-whistleblower-warned-about-jet-that-crashed-india/) for this question: Just wait a bit. Most planes aren’t designed to dive nosefirst into the ground like the 737 Max. It generally takes, he’d say with audible sadness, ten or twelve years for assembly-line sloppiness to culminate in a plane crash."

From: [https://prospect.org/economy/2025-06-12-dreamliner-gave-boeing-manager-nightmares-just-crashed-air-india/](https://prospect.org/economy/2025-06-12-dreamliner-gave-boeing-manager-nightmares-just-crashed-air-india/) 

When John Oliver did an episode on Boeing last year, he basically stopped short of saying "it's only a matter of time before this happens."

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc&amp;pp=ygUSam9obiBvbGl2ZXIgYm9laW5n0gcJCd4JAYcqIYzv](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc&amp;pp=ygUSam9obiBvbGl2ZXIgYm9laW5n0gcJCd4JAYcqIYzv)

Such a terrible tragedy.

ThinkerusMaximus

Great analysis...very informative 👏🏻👏🏻 Thank you for this .

Daphne010

Captain Steeeeeve has changed his mind now. Thinks a dual engine failure happened, evidenced by the RAT. He didn't mention the semi-raised gear.

bam-RI

I will say, I haven't seen anything that indicates the RAT was deployed. As we see in other scenarios, people often immediately react by assume the plane failed, which we know is very unlikely to happen, and I think people tried to find something that confirmed their theory and decided something looked like the RAT.

I like how OP pointed out numerous times the need to properly configure the aircraft for takeoff. My initial thoughts are that the pilots may not have put the correct information into the FMC causing incorrect configuration information. Plane seemed to stall immediately after clearing ground effect. Not enough speed/lift right at takeoff leading to an immediate stall.

Mynameisdiehard

Here’s my theory based on all the different reporting. 

There was a video circulating here earlier of the same aircraft on the inbound flight showing signs of electrical issues. (At minimum it shows poor maintenance)

Air India has shown itself to be less than stellar in their maintenance already, the above mentioned video is only corroborating evidence. 

The aircraft is far from brand new, though still young by aircraft standards, it is old enough to have certainly needed replacement parts and heavy maintenance at this point, referencing the two points above, I doubt that it has received the same TLC that an airline in a more developed nation may have given it, add to that it is a more modern and complex aircraft compared to previous generations, specialized knowledge is certainly required to maintain it. (it should be clear, I don’t think that people in India are incapable of maintaining complex aircraft, but India is a less developed nation, and money/resources might not be as easy to come by. US and European carriers have been guilty of corner cutting too)

VAS Aviation made a video and indicated that the ram air turbine (RAT) is deployed. I have no reason to disagree based on his reasoning (sound.) 

By all indication, the flaps were in the correct setting, and the 787 makes it practically impossible to accidentally take off without the correct configuration. 

The landing gear was still extended. 

In the video from the left side of the runway we can see dirt and debris blown by the trust from the engines, indicating they are both on and that the plane nearly or did overrun the runway. 

I think that the aircraft suffered a catastrophic electronics failure during the takeoff roll. This may have occurred near or after V1. One of the pilots may have deployed the RAT in a desperate attempt to regain some power. The aircraft would have been extremely difficult to fly without power, add to that the inability to retract the landing gear, and you have a ton of drag. 

Obviously this is entirely speculation, but I’m curious if anyone else thinks this is in the realm of plausibility.

whitecollarpizzaman

You can hear the RAT deployed in this video https://www.reddit.com/user/superuser726/comments/1l9ip7s/air_india_171_crash_footage_original/?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=web3x&amp;utm_name=web3xcss&amp;utm_term=1&amp;utm_content=share_button

An ex Cabin crew member noted that the plane had a history of technical issues including engine failure. 


Could someone explain if the fuselage fails are there redundancy systems? 

Taroman23

Eerily similar to the Air France AF296 crash. June 26, 1988.

The official report concluded pilot error while making a slow flyby of the airfield. 

The Captain disputed it, claiming that it was a failure of the fly-by-wire system that prevented him from applying throttle.

[Air France 296 Airbus A320 crash](https://youtu.be/-kHa3WNerjU?si=LTvJ2FvJ8k6mwSKi)

Mobile_Cloud2294

I was wondering about the noise reported by the survivor. He states it occurred after about 30 seconds, then the plane crashed. Given the flight time, could this be the point where the landing gear/engine impacted the building and sheared off? From the photos it looks like this occurred, then the plane impacted the ground. Therefore not a contributing factor to the crash.

sedahren

This is a solid analysis, the FAA could just build off this post and upload it in their lessons learned site

anu1027

Re video 1: even with its quality, you can see flaps out here:

https://imgur.com/a/IEt0vFb

I zoomed it in and you can see the engine through the little gap between wing and flap.

AzsaRaccoon

razareddit

TraditionalAdvice114

Thanks for through analysis.

Do you know how easy it is for a pilot to recover if the flaps were wrongly configured, etc.

Heard the plane had been carrying a lot of fuel (at max capacity), is it possible the configuration was wrong.

But is it possible to overwrite the configuration in that situation

Newreddituserw

What are the odds of fuel contamination? With no other reported aircraft affected?

BrownBearBaleau

Wow, it is comprehensive, very detailed and truly professional analysis! And you did this so quickly (just some hours after the crash), but with high quality. I'm so impressed; hat off to you! 👏

sealightflower

CompetitiveFactor278

\*\*\*\*\*\*\* UPDATE \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*

**Thanks for all the comments and discussion everyone. I have added an update above.**

airbusrules

Hey OP, this is some crazy analysis. I just wanted to put some thoughts of mine own. 

Is it possible that data collected by the FMS could have been wrong. For example I read on the web that if FMS has incorrect data, it could severely affect the performance. So if the loading of the weight was done properly but the data entered by the loading crew was wrong, this could affect the take off performance of the whole plane right?

Now why I feel there was a loss of power would be that an incorrect added data in FMS could affect the climb as well. This part of my theory is where I need your and others input, the elevator trim that is adjusted is set by the FMS or by the pilot?

Could it be that the Elevator Trim Setting was wrongly configured which caused an unnatural high AOA which resulted in complete loss of power to the engines because of restricted airflow?

UnknownVariableXYZ

Thank you for this thread! Very measured takes and nicely compiled information that is refreshing to see amongst the midst of less than stellar reporting by media outlets.

KOjustgetsit

Thank you for the write up. This was a brutal day for all in aerospace.

photoengineer

A possible chain of events to explain this crash:

* A catastrophic short (i.e. contactor arc fault) occurs in the central electric pump system during peak transient current conditions during gear retraction, causing all of L1/L2/R1/R2 buses to go offline. During takeoff, the L-R bus ties would be closed for load sharing. A single arc fault could propagate to both sides and if significant enough, could weld bus tie breakers and trip all GCUs. (RAT would be deployed, gear retraction would stop)
* There is some precedent in the ZA002 2010 test 787 electric panel case where a panel arc fault resulted in "significant molten metal" found. You could have up to 5 - 10kA fault current in a 787
* With total AC power loss both engine electric boost fuel pumps go offline simultaneously. There is a rapid loss in fuel inlet pressure to \~1 psi.
* The FADECs (still running on the engine power) sense the low inlet pressure condition and meter down fuel flow to prevent pump damage, resulting in smooth n1/n2 rollback and loss of thrust. A 787 is unlikely to be able to take off under suction feed conditions. So we see it float up and then glide back down as thrust decays

This sequence could explain the partial gear retraction, RAT deployment, lack of visible or audible internal engine failure, and symmetric gradual loss of power observed in the video and audio evidence

lilias_

Based on the CCTV video that captured the whole flight and Google maps, I tried to make sense of where the flight had lift-off and whether it was late.

According to this analysis, the aircraft has taken off around 2300m down the runway, and not at the very end. It would also make sense in terms that the whole flight took around 30-32 seconds. Assuming an average speed of around 174 knots (as per the FR24 last data point), the aircraft would then fly around 2750m. 

If it had taken off at the end of the runway, the average speed would be around 113 knots to cover the 1750m from the end of the runway to the place of impact. This seems to be too slow for a full B787.

I also checked FR24 data, and the same flight from June 10 was about 350m earlier at 575ft at 182 knots, so not that much different to the last data point of the accident flight.

[https://ibb.co/yHQgyXg](https://ibb.co/yHQgyXg)

MatthKarl

It seems  unlikely that a single physical cause can easily explain a loss of thrust by both engines but defective software&amp;/or firmware that reacts to the same conditions in the same way could explain the simultaneity although that leaves completely unexplained the mechanism by which a software glitch could cause an engine failure. However, if it happens even once, the second occurrence would not be that unexpected. (Prior to the Sydney 2000 olympics our redundant servers crashed at the same time due to the same event - a damaged fibre - because both the token ring drivers reacted to the same event with the same bad error handling in kernel space). I am presuming there is no single software component in the aircraft management systems that could fail in this way, but if the protection is redundant copies of the same software component with the same implementation this may not offer as much protection as one thinks)

jonseymourau

By now it is obvious this was a dual engine failure on the runway right around V1.  This was most likely due to fuel contamination (i.e. Cathay 780). I just cannot think of anything else that would cause both engines to fail almost simultaneously (clearly no bird strike or some other sort of external injury to the engines).

Maddishscience

I just can't conceive of a mechanical issue causing a dual engine failure on takeoff. That leaves me with pilot error of some kind.

Lame_Johnny

Looks like some engine loss, the way the airplane stalled in the end. I wonder if they were trying to do an emergency landing or they didn't even have room for that. 

RIP.

RBLXFrodan

Dude those poor people. This is one of my biggest fears

thegreatmizzle777

Saw on the news that they had recently celebrated a billion people flown on this model of plane in its 11 years without incident.

Theory-After

It was a London bound aircraft carrying 244 people, the amount dead is not confirmed yet

s_r818_

Only a couple of weeks ago I made a similar flight on the same model of plane from Air India.   

My heart breaks for those poor souls and their families.

Kylearean

Skillmanjaro

Man someone my dad knew was on this flight, he was due to go pick them up from Gatwick too. Life is so unpredictable.

Wise_Ad8474

B1kerGuy2019

That’s so sad. The plane’s landing gear was still down. It seemed to struggle to get some lift. Maybe it had some engine/power issue or the flaps weren’t properly configured to give it enough lift.

Bestlife1234321

Just saw the aftermath in oddlyterrifying, goddamn.

StopPsychological344

FiveWizz

Ok_Philosopher_5090

Is it me or are there a lot of planes crashing in the past few years?

rumorhasit_

Tragic!

Residential areas hit, innocent lives on the ground possibly affected too. Prayers for everyone connected to this.

Micronlance

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